Ah Young , 18781968 (aged 90 years)

Name
Ah Young //
Given names
Ah Young
Name
/蔡/文粹
Given names
文粹
Surname
Romanized name
/coi3/ man4 seui6
Birth
August 12, 1878
Zhagang, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China槎崗, 回龙, 高要市, 肇庆市, 广东
Note: 1878 - according application re Alien Registration Act (30 May 1956)

1878 - according application re Alien Registration Act (30 May 1956)

12 Aug 1878 - Stat dec applying for naturalisation 5 Sep 1957

Immigration
1896 (aged 17 years)
Note: Immigration file paperwork has conflicting references to Darwin and Cooktown. Dad says unlikely as this isn't a place represented by Tiy Loy or War Hing. May be a convenient location for records due to records being lost or a vagary of translation.

Immigration file paperwork has conflicting references to Darwin and Cooktown. Dad says unlikely as this isn't a place represented by Tiy Loy or War Hing. May be a convenient location for records due to records being lost or a vagary of translation.

Within Ah Young's Immigration file, 1896 is given quite consistently and over a number of years asthe date he arrived in Australia.

In the file of nephew Choy Ching Wah, dated 1950, his arrival is given as 1885. This may be a clerical error. I think the 1896 date has more evidence.

Occupation
Market Farmer
from 1896 to 1965 (aged 86 years)
Trip
Extended Absence
from January 1914 to April 1916 (aged 37 years)
Birth of a son
August 10, 1915 (aged 36 years)
Zhagang, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China槎崗, 回龙, 高要市, 肇庆市, 广东
Residence
Address: Carroll St
Kogarah Bay
Note: Land title searching

Land title searching

Parish of St George, County of Cumberland
Portion 30 - Reference note 102

Crown Plan 2030-471, -471A grantee Matthew Carroll 17-2-1849

Market Garden - Carroll Street Kogarah

From Torrens Title Registers:

Vol-folio 2210-124
Purchased 14 dec 1911 by caroline cecilia burgess wife of ralph burgess mossman chemist.

Leased 27 march 1913 to Sang War of Kogarah. Market gardener.
Lease terminated and sold to Ah Young, Ah Long, Ah See and Choy Bun all Kogarah market gardeners and tenants in common 15 nov 1920.

Vol-folio 3143-4 to 3143-7 registers title for each of the tenants in common.

Vol-folio 3424-248 to 3424-250. (Ah young is 249).
Ah See transfers out of the ownership. 28 feb 1923.
Leased by the 3 owners to Ah Chong, Ah Dong, Ah En, Ah Doo and Ah Shum, Kogarah market gardeners. 17 mar 1930.
Mortgaged 11 apr 1930 to margaret wood eagan wife of frank william Austin eagan of manly chartered accountant.
Mortgage discharged 22 jan 1934.

Ah Young mortgaged his share to Ah Long 23 Mar 1934. Mortgage discharged 9 Dec 1936.


Ah Long was his brother, Coi Yu Seui.

My father was not aware of any family relationship with Choy Bun.

Trip
Extended Absence
from March 1923 to May 1924 (aged 45 years)
Birth of a daughter
April 20, 1925 (aged 46 years)
Trip
Extended Absence
from August 21, 1926 to September 29, 1927 (aged 49 years)
Trip
Extended Absence
from January 11, 1930 to May 22, 1933 (aged 54 years)
Marriage of a son
before 1933 (aged 54 years)
Trip
Extended Absence
from March 25, 1936 to December 3, 1936 (aged 58 years)
Birth of a daughter
February 3, 1937 (aged 58 years)
Death of a brother
1939 (aged 60 years)
Residence
Address: French St
Kogarah
Naturalization
Residence
Address: 42 Kendall St
San Souci
Trip
Extended Absence
from February 20, 1956 to May 30, 1956 (aged 77 years)
Note: Left and Returned on the "Changsha".
Residence
Address: Hezlett Rd
Note: Between San Souci and Kellyville, there was a short period of time when a farm at Milpera was also being leased.
Death of a father
Zhagang, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China槎崗, 回龙, 高要市, 肇庆市, 广东
Death of a mother
Death
Note: NSW BDM Index: 40949/1968
Burial
Cemetery: Rookwood Cemetery
Address: General
Section Chinese 4
Grave 650
Family with parents
father
Choy Gat Cheung
吉昌
Birth: Lizha, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China
Death: Zhagang, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China
mother
himself
Choy Mun Seui ("Ah Young")
文粹
18781968
Birth: August 12, 1878 Zhagang, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China
Death: December 12, 1968Newtown, New South Wales, Australia
-7 years
elder brother
Ah Long - 1924
汝粹
18771939
Birth: 1877 Lizha, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China
Death: 1939Hong Kong
brother
Father’s family with Ha
father
Choy Gat Cheung
吉昌
Birth: Lizha, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China
Death: Zhagang, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China
father’s partner
half-brother
純粹
Birth: Lizha, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China
Death: Australia
half-sister
Private
half-sister
Private
half-sister
Private
Family with Chu Moy
himself
Choy Mun Seui ("Ah Young")
文粹
18781968
Birth: August 12, 1878 Zhagang, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China
Death: December 12, 1968Newtown, New South Wales, Australia
wife
Chu Moy
越妹
18991997
Birth: 1899 China
Death: April 12, 1997Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
son
Choy Kam Wing
錦榮
19152003
Birth: August 10, 1915 36 16 Zhagang, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China
Death: August 16, 2003Bankstown, New South Wales, Australia
10 years
daughter
P_SueKibble.jpg
慧嫻
19252018
Birth: April 20, 1925 46 26
Death: February 7, 2018Hong Kong
son
Private
son
Private
son
Private
daughter
小青
19372019
Birth: February 3, 1937 58 38
Death: January 13, 2019
Immigration
Occupation
Trip
Residence
Trip
Trip
Trip
Residence
Trip
Naturalization
Birth

1878 - according application re Alien Registration Act (30 May 1956)

12 Aug 1878 - Stat dec applying for naturalisation 5 Sep 1957

Immigration

Immigration file paperwork has conflicting references to Darwin and Cooktown. Dad says unlikely as this isn't a place represented by Tiy Loy or War Hing. May be a convenient location for records due to records being lost or a vagary of translation.

Within Ah Young's Immigration file, 1896 is given quite consistently and over a number of years asthe date he arrived in Australia.

In the file of nephew Choy Ching Wah, dated 1950, his arrival is given as 1885. This may be a clerical error. I think the 1896 date has more evidence.

Residence

Land title searching

Parish of St George, County of Cumberland
Portion 30 - Reference note 102

Crown Plan 2030-471, -471A grantee Matthew Carroll 17-2-1849

Shared note

Market Garden - Carroll Street Kogarah

From Torrens Title Registers:

Vol-folio 2210-124
Purchased 14 dec 1911 by caroline cecilia burgess wife of ralph burgess mossman chemist.

Leased 27 march 1913 to Sang War of Kogarah. Market gardener.
Lease terminated and sold to Ah Young, Ah Long, Ah See and Choy Bun all Kogarah market gardeners and tenants in common 15 nov 1920.

Vol-folio 3143-4 to 3143-7 registers title for each of the tenants in common.

Vol-folio 3424-248 to 3424-250. (Ah young is 249).
Ah See transfers out of the ownership. 28 feb 1923.
Leased by the 3 owners to Ah Chong, Ah Dong, Ah En, Ah Doo and Ah Shum, Kogarah market gardeners. 17 mar 1930.
Mortgaged 11 apr 1930 to margaret wood eagan wife of frank william Austin eagan of manly chartered accountant.
Mortgage discharged 22 jan 1934.

Ah Young mortgaged his share to Ah Long 23 Mar 1934. Mortgage discharged 9 Dec 1936.


Ah Long was his brother, Coi Yu Seui.

My father was not aware of any family relationship with Choy Bun.

Trip

Left and Returned on the "Changsha".

Residence

Between San Souci and Kellyville, there was a short period of time when a farm at Milpera was also being leased.

Death

NSW BDM Index: 40949/1968

Note

Searching for Certificate Exempting from Dictation Test.

The following CEDT's do not relate to this individual:
(quoting the control number of the Australian National Archive)
1929/473/51-60 - #55 Was away for 4 year. Pic doesn't match.
1924/379/0-10-60 - #4 pic doesn't match. Was in China 2 1/2 years.
1930/486/21-30 - too old (69), image not familiar.
1930/483/91-100 - too old (64), image not familiar.
1928/450/81-90 - #90 - too old (55), seems too dark complexion and doesn't
1928/451/21-30 - #23 - too old (61). image not familiar. departed 1928 - no return listed.
1928/453/41-50 - #46 - too old (56). image not familiar.

1924/380/11-20 - #19 - too old (52)
1925/394/81-90 - #86 - no description. extension of CEDT 394/85
1925/397/71-80 - #71 - no description. extension of CEDT 275/70
1925/383/91-99 - #93 - too old (62)
1924/377/81-90 - #82 - too old (52) and pic doesn't look right.
1924/372/0-10 - #5 - too old (61) and pic doesn't look right.
1925/381/91-99 - #92 - too old (49) and no family resemblance. I think.
1925/381/61-70 - #70 - too old (50) and no family resemblance

1930/476/21-30 - no pic or description. Text:"Issued on arrival after being satifactorily identified 1A1120". dated 6 APR 1930.
this form was No 022 from Book 476. Further annotation C29/8097

1930/485/81-90 - no pic or description. Text: "Issues on arrival as extension of NSW C.E.D.T. 486/73 IAI 189". dated 8 NOV 1930.
No 084 from Book 485. Further annotaion C29/6603.

1927/428/41-50 - #42 - aged 50. possible pic but unlikely.
1927/422/91-100 - #96 - possible.
1927/426/71-80 - #73 - possible

1930/485/81-90 - #84 is an extension of 426/73. Return date of 8 NOV 1930

1931/487/31-40 - #33 - too old and picture doesn't match

SP1732/5 3138 Young, Ah [Chinese - arrived Thursday Island per SS TAIPING, 8 Jan 1940. With photograph][Box 43] - no match. File includes family and lives at Parramatta.

SP42/2 C1933/3643 Ah Young and others [Certificates Exempting from Dictation Test and related correspondence for Chinese passengers arriving Sydney per NELLORE, 22 May 1933 - includes photographs, passport, hand impression, thumb prints] [Box 5] - no match.

SP42/2 C1933/2083 Ah Young and others [documentation relating to Chinese passengers arriving Sydney per TANDA 22 March 1933 - includes photographs, finger prints, Certificates Exempting from Dictation Test, Birth Certificates] [Box 4] - no match

SP11/2 Chinese/Young Ah[2] - no match

ST84/1 1930/474/31-40 barcode 7961193: 474/36 appears in his Naturalisation file

Need to be checked:

ST84/1 1932/492/81-90 barcode 7961308
ST84/1 1932/506/21-30 barcode 7961322
ST84/1 1932/506/31-40 barcode 7961323

ST84/1 1933/507/81-90 barcode 7961338
ST84/1 1933/508/41-50 barcode 7961344: 508/41 is referred to on 474/36

ST84/1 1935/528/51-60 barcode 7961435
ST84/1 1936/530/21-30 barcode 7961452
ST84/1 1936/532/41-50 barcode 7961474
SP42/1 C1937/1154 barcode 31103043

Note
Note

Research notes - Kogarah library

One or two Ah Young's?

There was another property off Stubbs St(lot 160, DP 7056 ), owned by "Ah Young" and using a farm name "Sun Sang War". There was correspondence to him 7 Oct 1937 which was incorrectly delivered delivered to Carrol St. The drop copy is noted as having been delivered to Ah Young of Sybil St.

Also noted that different solicitors represented these two Ah Youngs. Conclusion: these are two different people.

Source - Kogarah Council Archives

Note

Research notes - Kogarah library

There was a rates query 14 July 1938 which mentions Ah Long and Ah Young being of Sydney and Choy Bun bewing of China.

This suggests that Choy Bun was the vendor who was about to travel back to China. Refer earlier corre item.

Note

Shipping records via Ancestry around 1896 arrivals in Sydney:

5 May - Aramac - from Melb
6 Aug 1895 - Aramac - from Melb
[Same ship from Melb? - both times appears in steerage]

28 Jan 1897 - Framnes - from China - right age but listed as cabin boy.

View Record Ah Young Sydney, New South Wales 5 May 1896 Aramac
View Record Ah Young abt 1878 Sydney, New South Wales 28 Jan 1897 Framnes China
View Record Mr Ah Young Sydney, New South Wales 4 Mar 1895 Talune
View Record Ah Young Sydney, New South Wales 6 Aug 1895 Aramac
View Record Mr Ah Young Sydney, New South Wales 5 Oct 1897 Peregrine

Note
Residence
Trip
Burial
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Choy Mun Seui ("Ah Young")
Choy Mun Seui ("Ah Young")
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Choy Man Seui (Ah Young)
Choy Man Seui (Ah Young)
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CEDT-Ah Young.jpg
CEDT-Ah Young.jpg
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CEDT_Ah_Young_1956.JPG
CEDT_Ah_Young_1956.JPG
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ChineseAustralianHerald_1915-09-18_CaiManSeui.png
ChineseAustralianHerald_1915-09-18_CaiManSeui.png
Note: This is a list of donors who contributed to a relief fund for flood victims. The page labelled S2 (Supplement 2?) in Trove is a continuation of an article that begins on Page 6.

This is a list of donors who contributed to a relief fund for flood victims. The page labelled S2 (Supplement 2?) in Trove is a continuation of an article that begins on Page 6.

紐 縣 磁 中 華 會 館 委 令 頓 芈 釕 二 期 水 災 捐 欵 芳 名 1
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article169062948

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TungWahTimes_11May1935_page5
Note: Sydney Chinese community welcome general Choy tang guy and supports war donation.

Sydney Chinese community welcome general Choy tang guy and supports war donation.

蔡文粹 is listed as giving one pound.

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Plan of Carroll St
Plan of Carroll St
Note: Notes made after a visit to Department of Lands. Blue pen marking around DP1127867 and DP19221 show the extent of the Sang War farm.