Damper in a Wok : A Mixed-up Australian Family Tree

Choy Mun Seui ("Ah Young")

coi3 man4 seui6Age: 90 years18781968

Name
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Given names
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Surname
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coi3 man4 seui6
Hebrew
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… ‘Ah Young’

Name
… ‘Ah Young’
Nickname
Ah Young
Birth 12 August 1878
Zhagang, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China - 槎崗, 回龙, 高要市, 肇庆市, 广东

Note: 1878 - according application re Alien Registration Act (30 May 1956)
Birth of a brothercoi3 yu5 seui6
before 1883 (Age 4 years)
Lizha, Huilong, Gaoyao, Zhaoqing, Guangdong, China - 黎槎,回龙, 高要市, 肇庆市, 广东

Note: He was commonly called "number 8". Noting his birth year in that he is older than Coi Man Seui.
Immigration 1896 (Age 17 years)

Note: Immigration file paperwork has conflicting references to Darwin and Cooktown. Dad says unlikely as t…
Occupation
Market Farmer
from 1896 to 1965 (Age 17 years)

Trip
Extended Absence
from January 1914 to April 1916 (Age 35 years)
Residence from 1920 to 1939 (Age 41 years)
Address: Carroll St Kogarah Bay
Note: Land title searching
Trip
Extended Absence
from March 1923 to May 1924 (Age 44 years)
Trip
Extended Absence
from 21 August 1926 to 29 September 1927 (Age 48 years)
Trip
Extended Absence
from 11 January 1930 to 22 May 1933 (Age 51 years)
Trip
Extended Absence
from 25 March 1936 to 3 December 1936 (Age 57 years)
Death of a brothercoi3 yu5 seui6
1939 (Age 60 years)
Residence from 1940 (Age 61 years)
Address: French St Kogarah
Residence from 1952 to 1953 (Age 73 years)
Address: 42 Kendall St San Souci
Trip
Extended Absence
from 20 February 1956 to 30 May 1956 (Age 77 years)
Note: Left and Returned on the "Changsha".
Naturalisation 24 July 1958 (Age 79 years)
Census 1958 (Age 79 years)
Address: 42 Kendall St San Souci
Census 1963 (Age 84 years)
Address: 42 Kendall St San Souci
Residence about 1967 (Age 88 years)
Address: Hezlett Rd
Note: Between San Souci and Kellyville, there was a short period of time when a farm at Milpera was also being leased.
Death 12 December 1968 (Age 90 years)
Note: NSW BDM Index: 40949/1968
Burial 17 December 1968 (5 days after death)
Address: General Section Chinese 4 Grave 650
Cemetery: Rookwood Cemetery
Headstone of Ah Young and Chu Moi
Headstone of Ah Young and Chu Moi

Note: Photo courtesy of Helen Yarad.

Last change 22 June 201611:22:28

by: Kerry Choy
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Choy Mun Seui ("Ah Young")coi3 man4 seui6
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Birth: 12 August 1878Zhagang, Huilong
Death: 12 December 1968Newtown, New South Wales
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Birth
1878 - according application re Alien Registration Act (30 May 1956) 12 Aug 1878 - Stat dec applying for naturalisation 5 Sep 1957
Immigration
Immigration file paperwork has conflicting references to Darwin and Cooktown. Dad says unlikely as this isn't a place represented by Tiy Loy or War Hing. May be a convenient location for records due to records being lost or a vagary of translation. Within Ah Young's Immigration file, 1896 is given quite consistently and over a number of years asthe date he arrived in Australia. In the file of nephew Choy Ching Wah, dated 1950, his arrival is given as 1885. This may be a clerical error. I think the 1896 date has more evidence.
Residence
Land title searching Parish of St George, County of Cumberland Portion 30 - Reference note 102 Crown Plan 2030-471, -471A grantee Matthew Carroll 17-2-1849
Residence
Market Garden - Carroll Street Kogarah From Torrens Title Registers: Vol-folio 2210-124 Purchased 14 dec 1911 by caroline cecilia burgess wife of ralph burgess mossman chemist. Leased 27 march 1913 to Sang War of Kogarah. Market gardener. Lease terminated and sold to Ah Young, Ah Long, Ah See and Choy Bun all Kogarah market gardeners and tenants in common 15 nov 1920. Vol-folio 3143-4 to 3143-7 registers title for each of the tenants in common. Vol-folio 3424-248 to 3424-250. (Ah young is 249). Ah See transfers out of the ownership. 28 feb 1923. Leased by the 3 owners to Ah Chong, Ah Dong, Ah En, Ah Doo and Ah Shum, Kogarah market gardeners. 17 mar 1930. Mortgaged 11 apr 1930 to margaret wood eagan wife of frank william Austin eagan of manly chartered accountant. Mortgage discharged 22 jan 1934. Ah Young mortgaged his share to Ah Long 23 Mar 1934. Mortgage discharged 9 Dec 1936. Ah Long was his brother, Coi Yu Seui.
Trip
Left and Returned on the "Changsha".
Residence
Between San Souci and Kellyville, there was a short period of time when a farm at Milpera was also being leased.
Death
NSW BDM Index: 40949/1968
Note
Searching for Certificate Exempting from Dictation Test. The following CEDT's do not relate to this individual: (quoting the control number of the Australian National Archive) 1929/473/51-60 - #55 Was away for 4 year. Pic doesn't match. 1924/379/0-10-60 - #4 pic doesn't match. Was in China 2 1/2 years. 1930/486/21-30 - too old (69), image not familiar. 1930/483/91-100 - too old (64), image not familiar. 1928/450/81-90 - #90 - too old (55), seems too dark complexion and doesn't 1928/451/21-30 - #23 - too old (61). image not familiar. departed 1928 - no return listed. 1928/453/41-50 - #46 - too old (56). image not familiar. 1924/380/11-20 - #19 - too old (52) 1925/394/81-90 - #86 - no description. extension of CEDT 394/85 1925/397/71-80 - #71 - no description. extension of CEDT 275/70 1925/383/91-99 - #93 - too old (62) 1924/377/81-90 - #82 - too old (52) and pic doesn't look right. 1924/372/0-10 - #5 - too old (61) and pic doesn't look right. 1925/381/91-99 - #92 - too old (49) and no family resemblance. I think. 1925/381/61-70 - #70 - too old (50) and no family resemblance 1930/476/21-30 - no pic or description. Text:"Issued on arrival after being satifactorily identified 1A1120". dated 6 APR 1930. this form was No 022 from Book 476. Further annotation C29/8097 1930/485/81-90 - no pic or description. Text: "Issues on arrival as extension of NSW C.E.D.T. 486/73 IAI 189". dated 8 NOV 1930. No 084 from Book 485. Further annotaion C29/6603. 1927/428/41-50 - #42 - aged 50. possible pic but unlikely. 1927/422/91-100 - #96 - possible. 1927/426/71-80 - #73 - possible 1930/485/81-90 - #84 is an extension of 426/73. Return date of 8 NOV 1930 1931/487/31-40 - #33 - too old and picture doesn't match SP1732/5 3138 Young, Ah [Chinese - arrived Thursday Island per SS TAIPING, 8 Jan 1940. With photograph][Box 43] - no match. File includes family and lives at Parramatta. SP42/2 C1933/3643 Ah Young and others [Certificates Exempting from Dictation Test and related correspondence for Chinese passengers arriving Sydney per NELLORE, 22 May 1933 - includes photographs, passport, hand impression, thumb prints] [Box 5] - no match. SP42/2 C1933/2083 Ah Young and others [documentation relating to Chinese passengers arriving Sydney per TANDA 22 March 1933 - includes photographs, finger prints, Certificates Exempting from Dictation Test, Birth Certificates] [Box 4] - no match SP11/2 Chinese/Young Ah[2] - no match ST84/1 1930/474/31-40 barcode 7961193: 474/36 appears in his Naturalisation file ------------------------------------------------ Need to be checked: ST84/1 1932/492/81-90 barcode 7961308 ST84/1 1932/506/21-30 barcode 7961322 ST84/1 1932/506/31-40 barcode 7961323 ST84/1 1933/507/81-90 barcode 7961338 ST84/1 1933/508/41-50 barcode 7961344: 508/41 is referred to on 474/36 ST84/1 1935/528/51-60 barcode 7961435 ST84/1 1936/530/21-30 barcode 7961452 ST84/1 1936/532/41-50 barcode 7961474 SP42/1 C1937/1154 barcode 31103043
Shared note
Market Garden - Carroll Street Kogarah From Torrens Title Registers: Vol-folio 2210-124 Purchased 14 dec 1911 by caroline cecilia burgess wife of ralph burgess mossman chemist. Leased 27 march 1913 to Sang War of Kogarah. Market gardener. Lease terminated and sold to Ah Young, Ah Long, Ah See and Choy Bun all Kogarah market gardeners and tenants in common 15 nov 1920. Vol-folio 3143-4 to 3143-7 registers title for each of the tenants in common. Vol-folio 3424-248 to 3424-250. (Ah young is 249). Ah See transfers out of the ownership. 28 feb 1923. Leased by the 3 owners to Ah Chong, Ah Dong, Ah En, Ah Doo and Ah Shum, Kogarah market gardeners. 17 mar 1930. Mortgaged 11 apr 1930 to margaret wood eagan wife of frank william Austin eagan of manly chartered accountant. Mortgage discharged 22 jan 1934. Ah Young mortgaged his share to Ah Long 23 Mar 1934. Mortgage discharged 9 Dec 1936. Ah Long was his brother, Coi Yu Seui.
Note
Research notes - Kogarah library One or two Ah Young's? There was another property off Stubbs St(lot 160, DP 7056 ), owned by "Ah Young" and using a farm name "Sun Sang War". There was correspondence to him 7 Oct 1937 which was incorrectly delivered delivered to Carrol St. The drop copy is noted as having been delivered to Ah Young of Sybil St. Also noted that different solicitors represented these two Ah Youngs. Conclusion: these are two different people. Source - Kogarah Council Archives
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Research notes - Kogarah library There was a rates query 14 July 1938 which mentions Ah Long and Ah Young being of Sydney and Choy Bun bewing of China. This suggests that Choy Bun was the vendor who was about to travel back to China. Refer earlier corre item.
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Shipping records via Ancestry around 1896 arrivals in Sydney: 5 May - Aramac - from Melb 6 Aug 1895 - Aramac - from Melb [Same ship from Melb? - both times appears in steerage] 28 Jan 1897 - Framnes - from China - right age but listed as cabin boy. View Record Ah Young Sydney, New South Wales 5 May 1896 Aramac View Record Ah Young abt 1878 Sydney, New South Wales 28 Jan 1897 Framnes China View Record Mr Ah Young Sydney, New South Wales 4 Mar 1895 Talune View Record Ah Young Sydney, New South Wales 6 Aug 1895 Aramac View Record Mr Ah Young Sydney, New South Wales 5 Oct 1897 Peregrine
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Note: Photo courtesy of Helen Yarad.
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